Re: RAT Cheese it, the Fuzz!

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In a message dated 12/6/99 4:05:59 PM EST, jsylvain@station.sony.com writes:

>  Very interesting post.
>  Do you mean Southern Baptist Cops taboo brute behavior in others but not 
in themselves?
---
P:  Actually, according to Men Stopping Violence(404 688 1376, I don't have 
an email,
but can get) some police departments (not just Atlanta', 'tho it is the only 
big city with a female, black female, chief) are making a serious effort to 
get their men into sessions to help them undo patterns that make many of them 
wife beaters as well as commiters of police brutality while enforcing the law 
(legislated taboos).  I am not an expert on this, what Adorno called 
"authoritarian behaviour", but according to one who currently is: "to control 
her" is the "correct" fill in the blank answer to 'why  do men beat their 
wives.'  

Adorno was what I'd call the left wing of the post war Harvard School of 
Social Relations of which Hannah Arendt, left wing of Ayn Rand, was the 
right,  --- in my opinion.  Their job was to  develop a liberal intellectual 
alternative to anti fascist theories developed by communists like Dimitrov 
and Palme Dutt.  The shift being to psychological explanations and away from 
economic. Emphasizing that 
HItler was abused and abandoned by his father.  Rather than what he was also: 
 an opportunist willing and able to control those who threatened the control, 
or equilibrium, of  lovely wealthy German families  (and quite a few British, 
American, even French) who generously supported the arts and theatre.  It 
will take all of us, not just Seattle rats, to 
preclude the lovely families who support the arts and theatre across this 
great land today, from resorting to similar abused opportunists to maintain 
control after the successful WTO protest.

>  What happened to Catholics a month ago?

P:  The pope and multi bishops celebrated the Roman Catholic church's finally 
coming
around to the "truth" of Luther, that salvation is by the love of God, or 
faith in the love of God, (I can't swear to the wording) not deeds.  My 
opinion on this I will not express.
 
>  You can't intrude where you are welcome.

Thanks for practicing the art.

>  What the heck is Tsktskerification ?

Tsk tsk  ification is what radical old women do to liberal young boys and 
old boys  who write things like you silly cow popping out of your size 13.

>  I missed the point I guess.

You didn't miss the point.  But I missed doing what I was "supposed" to 
instead.
Which I will not blame on cointelpro, though it did occur to me.

Peggy
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>  > > But the psychology of cops is rooted in 
>  > >  >fear, anger and pain:  they became cops in the first place [to] deal
>  > with 
>  > a sense of personal 
>  > >  >helplessness and terror.  ... smacked around by their Daddy's when
>  > they 
>  > were 7.   Or  thrashed in the schoolyard.  ... violated people ...guns 
and
>  > 
>  > truncheons sprout[ing] from their hands as a direct 
>  > >  >consequence, like dark flowers.
>  > >  >
>  > >  >When they hear protesters calling them Nazis and mind-slaves, that 
>  > >  >pathetic terrorized seven year old wakes up from his traumatized 
>  > >  >slumber and now he has access to weapons. 
>  > >  >
>  > --------------
>  > To Bill, I think,
>  > The above, like the other thing you wrote later,  is appealing.
>  > 
>  > And then I think, appealing like all the macho-sado-big-bucks-making
>  > films my sons tell me are high art, not to promote violence, but reveal 
>  > it.  I, and I am sure I am not alone, was arrested and brutalized for
>  > doing a street theatre piece when and where it was not done (the night
>  > Reagan was elected, in Birmingham Alabama) by just the sort of cop
>  > you describe as your dad.  The DA who had to prosecute me because
>  > he has to work with the cops,; the  judge who had to convict me of
>  > assaulting the cop (because the police manual instruction then was to
>  > charge 
>  > anyone
>  > who may charge false arrest or police brutality with assaulting the
>  > police) 
>  > because
>  > he had to continue dealing with the police, and even the cop himself a 
few
>  > 
>  > years
>  > later, (after he had lost his job and been through therapy -- I was not
>  > the 
>  > first victim, just the last straw)all apologized and explained  just as
>  > you 
>  > did in a way that evoked compassion for this Vietnam vet, whose wife had
>  > long 
>  > sense escaped to the shelter for battered women, and whose son may by now
>  > be 
>  > on the force in Seattle, or be you.
>  > 
>  > Learning that brutes have been brutalized, or would you have it, that 
>  > brutalization begets
>  > brutes, is good.  Is good if the next step is tabooing brute behaviour.  
>  > Southern baptist
>  > cops taboo brute behaviour, I know.  And really brutalize women,
>  > homosexuals, 
>  > children, and African americans they catch violating the taboo.   One
>  > thing 
>  > about the religion of 
>  > people who get away with brutalizing others is they are saved.  Their 
God 
>  > forgives them.
>  > The center piece of the religion of Jews, muslims, even Catholics before 
a
>  > 
>  > month ago, was
>  > repentence and atonement, with no guarantee of forgiveness.  
>  > 
>  > I really don't need art to reveal the brutalism experienced in the 
rearing
>  > of 
>  > the American brute. I self edit to say "rearing" because the usual term, 
>  > "Socialization," is rather inappropriate.  
>  > 
>  > I apologize, ever so slightly, for intruding into this rat-list
>  > discussion.  
>  > Its promise was
>  > so enticing or v v.   Now, to elude  Tsktskerification, you boys will 
just
>  > 
>  > have to sneak off
>  > to the barn.
>  > 
>  > Some of you may get the point, boring to those who need to.  Art does 
not 
>  > patronize.  It's almost as off putting as being slapped around.
>  >  Peggy
>  
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