RE: RAT Cheese it, the Fuzz!

["Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com>]

Very interesting post.

Could you please clarify a couple points:

>Southern baptist
>cops taboo brute behaviour, I know.  And really brutalize women,
homosexuals, 
>children, and African americans they catch violating the taboo. 

This is unclear to me. Do you mean Southern Baptist Cops Taboo brute
behavior in others but not in themselves?

> The center piece of the religion of Jews, muslims, even Catholics before a

>month ago, was
>repentence and atonement, with no guarantee of forgiveness.  

What happened to Catholics a month ago?

>I apologize, ever so slightly, for intruding into this rat-list discussion.

>Its promise was
>so enticing or v v.   

You can't intrude where you are welcome.

>Now, to elude  Tsktskerification, you boys will just 
>have to sneak off
>to the barn.

What the heck does this mean?

>Some of you may get the point, boring to those who need to.  Art does not 
>patronize.  It's almost as off putting as being slapped around.
 >Peggy

I missed the point I guess.


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> Subject:	Re: RAT Cheese it, the Fuzz!
> 
> 
> 
> > But the psychology of cops is rooted in 
> >  >fear, anger and pain:  they became cops in the first place [to] deal
> with 
> a sense of personal 
> >  >helplessness and terror.  ... smacked around by their Daddy's when
> they 
> were 7.   Or  thrashed in the schoolyard.  ... violated people ...guns and
> 
> truncheons sprout[ing] from their hands as a direct 
> >  >consequence, like dark flowers.
> >  >
> >  >When they hear protesters calling them Nazis and mind-slaves, that 
> >  >pathetic terrorized seven year old wakes up from his traumatized 
> >  >slumber and now he has access to weapons. 
> >  >
> --------------
> To Bill, I think,
> The above, like the other thing you wrote later,  is appealing.
> 
> And then I think, appealing like all the macho-sado-big-bucks-making
> films my sons tell me are high art, not to promote violence, but reveal 
> it.  I, and I am sure I am not alone, was arrested and brutalized for
> doing a street theatre piece when and where it was not done (the night
> Reagan was elected, in Birmingham Alabama) by just the sort of cop
> you describe as your dad.  The DA who had to prosecute me because
> he has to work with the cops,; the  judge who had to convict me of
> assaulting the cop (because the police manual instruction then was to
> charge 
> anyone
> who may charge false arrest or police brutality with assaulting the
> police) 
> because
> he had to continue dealing with the police, and even the cop himself a few
> 
> years
> later, (after he had lost his job and been through therapy -- I was not
> the 
> first victim, just the last straw)all apologized and explained  just as
> you 
> did in a way that evoked compassion for this Vietnam vet, whose wife had
> long 
> sense escaped to the shelter for battered women, and whose son may by now
> be 
> on the force in Seattle, or be you.
> 
> Learning that brutes have been brutalized, or would you have it, that 
> brutalization begets
> brutes, is good.  Is good if the next step is tabooing brute behaviour.  
> Southern baptist
> cops taboo brute behaviour, I know.  And really brutalize women,
> homosexuals, 
> children, and African americans they catch violating the taboo.   One
> thing 
> about the religion of 
> people who get away with brutalizing others is they are saved.  Their God 
> forgives them.
> The center piece of the religion of Jews, muslims, even Catholics before a
> 
> month ago, was
> repentence and atonement, with no guarantee of forgiveness.  
> 
> I really don't need art to reveal the brutalism experienced in the rearing
> of 
> the American brute. I self edit to say "rearing" because the usual term, 
> "Socialization," is rather inappropriate.  
> 
> I apologize, ever so slightly, for intruding into this rat-list
> discussion.  
> Its promise was
> so enticing or v v.   Now, to elude  Tsktskerification, you boys will just
> 
> have to sneak off
> to the barn.
> 
> Some of you may get the point, boring to those who need to.  Art does not 
> patronize.  It's almost as off putting as being slapped around.
>  Peggy