Re: RAT Hello Seattle, i must be going...

["David Sinclair" <mal_occhio@hotmail.com>]

i wish i read this before i posted.

si! si, mi amico!

david


>From: Mathew Bretz <mabretz@cbomedia.com>
>Reply-To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>Subject: Re: RAT Hello Seattle, i must be going...
>Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 07:24:26 +0000
>
>i'm not suggesting that anyone is innocent.  i'm suggesting that "punks" 
>may in
>some cases be double speak which disguises at least half of the 
>culpability.  i
>was not at woodstock so i can only hypothesize on some of the accounts i've
>read.  almost all, regardless of which side they came down on, indicated 
>that
>conditions were far worse than most of the festival events you or i have 
>probably
>been too.  most seem anxious to villify the "punks."  i'd say the blame 
>should be
>shared.  why am i writing about woodstock again?  oh yeah, because i think 
>the
>fact is that we have birthed a generation of less patient and less tolerant
>folks.  this is in part due to the fact that america got spoiled by 
>multinational
>corporations sucking dry the rest of the world to drive our consumption.  
>it is
>also due in part to our alienation from one another within the 
>multinational
>corporate-built "church of technology."  and it is also due in part to the 
>rich
>getting richer and the poor getting poorer.  i am not encouraging or 
>excusing
>impatience or intolerance.  but i feel that it is a by-product of the same
>globilization of the corporate economy that brought thousands of thoughtful 
>and
>peaceful protestors to seattle.   in other words, "garden variety punks" 
>may not
>think of themselves as revolutionaries but few revolutions have ever 
>occurred
>without them.   and folks can tune out and turn off as long and as often as 
>they
>like but it won't change the fact of what is happening.  slowly but surely, 
>the
>killer bees are coming.
>
>and jeffries, you got a lotta damn nerve bringing up jonny tremaine.  i'll 
>see
>you on the isle of swiss family robinson.
>
>matthew
>
>TimNGail@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 12/3/99 3:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > mabretz@cbomedia.com writes:
> >
> > << were those the punks sun baked for three days on the tarmac of an 
>abandoned
> >  airforce base, fed dysentery infected water which induced diarhea, 
>provided
> >  inadequate toilet facilities and forced to wait in line for up to five 
>hours
> > for
> >  clean water as merenary vendors drove the price up to $8 per liter.  
>perhaps
> > if
> >  the promoters had taken a few moments away from raking in the cash to 
>do a
> > little
> >  better planning the "punks" might not have been riled out of their 
>purple
> > haze.
> >   >>
> >
> > You make it sound as though these were people trapped against their 
>will,
> > unaware of what would be ahead of them.  Should the promoters have 
>planned
> > better?  Absolutely.  But should the "punks" be seen as innocent here?
> > Simply driven by godless concert promoters to commit violence?  I don't 
>buy
> > that for a second...  I've been to many multi-day outdoor events... 
>never,
> > EVER been in a situation where there weren't "mercenary vendors" or a 
>huge
> > line at the Port-a-John.... so either plan a little bit yourself instead 
>of
> > assuming some concert promoter will coddle you, or simply leave if it's
> > getting that bad.
> >
> > Not sure that the comparison between Seattle and Woodstock really 
>works...
> > Not sure about the relationship between the sweet innocent youths 
>burning
> > things simply to show their disapproval of water prices, versus an 
>assistant
> > being harassed as he leads a deaf and blind child down a street.
> >
> > love the discussion, though...
> >
> > tim
>

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