Re: RAT Hello Seattle, i must be going...

[Mathew Bretz <mabretz@cbomedia.com>]

john

a)  if you haven't birthed anything then why do they call you a "mac daddy"?

b)  you are a punk, asshole

c)  mi pointa es su pointa


bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"Sylvain, John" wrote:

> Matthew,
>
> A) I haven't "birthed" anything. Keep your posts off my body, man!
> B) Lets not use the word punk, it has too many meanings. Lets use the word
> Assholes. People who act like assholes are generally assholes.
> C) The killer bees are here.
>
> Love
> John
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mathew Bretz [SMTP:mabretz@cbomedia.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:24 PM
> > To:   rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > Subject:      Re: RAT Hello Seattle, i must be going...
> >
> > i'm not suggesting that anyone is innocent.  i'm suggesting that "punks"
> > may in
> > some cases be double speak which disguises at least half of the
> > culpability.  i
> > was not at woodstock so i can only hypothesize on some of the accounts
> > i've
> > read.  almost all, regardless of which side they came down on, indicated
> > that
> > conditions were far worse than most of the festival events you or i have
> > probably
> > been too.  most seem anxious to villify the "punks."  i'd say the blame
> > should be
> > shared.  why am i writing about woodstock again?  oh yeah, because i think
> > the
> > fact is that we have birthed a generation of less patient and less
> > tolerant
> > folks.  this is in part due to the fact that america got spoiled by
> > multinational
> > corporations sucking dry the rest of the world to drive our consumption.
> > it is
> > also due in part to our alienation from one another within the
> > multinational
> > corporate-built "church of technology."  and it is also due in part to the
> > rich
> > getting richer and the poor getting poorer.  i am not encouraging or
> > excusing
> > impatience or intolerance.  but i feel that it is a by-product of the same
> > globilization of the corporate economy that brought thousands of
> > thoughtful and
> > peaceful protestors to seattle.   in other words, "garden variety punks"
> > may not
> > think of themselves as revolutionaries but few revolutions have ever
> > occurred
> > without them.   and folks can tune out and turn off as long and as often
> > as they
> > like but it won't change the fact of what is happening.  slowly but
> > surely, the
> > killer bees are coming.
> >
> > and jeffries, you got a lotta damn nerve bringing up jonny tremaine.  i'll
> > see
> > you on the isle of swiss family robinson.
> >
> > matthew
> >
> > TimNGail@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 12/3/99 3:59:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > mabretz@cbomedia.com writes:
> > >
> > > << were those the punks sun baked for three days on the tarmac of an
> > abandoned
> > >  airforce base, fed dysentery infected water which induced diarhea,
> > provided
> > >  inadequate toilet facilities and forced to wait in line for up to five
> > hours
> > > for
> > >  clean water as merenary vendors drove the price up to $8 per liter.
> > perhaps
> > > if
> > >  the promoters had taken a few moments away from raking in the cash to
> > do a
> > > little
> > >  better planning the "punks" might not have been riled out of their
> > purple
> > > haze.
> > >   >>
> > >
> > > You make it sound as though these were people trapped against their
> > will,
> > > unaware of what would be ahead of them.  Should the promoters have
> > planned
> > > better?  Absolutely.  But should the "punks" be seen as innocent here?
> > > Simply driven by godless concert promoters to commit violence?  I don't
> > buy
> > > that for a second...  I've been to many multi-day outdoor events...
> > never,
> > > EVER been in a situation where there weren't "mercenary vendors" or a
> > huge
> > > line at the Port-a-John.... so either plan a little bit yourself instead
> > of
> > > assuming some concert promoter will coddle you, or simply leave if it's
> > > getting that bad.
> > >
> > > Not sure that the comparison between Seattle and Woodstock really
> > works...
> > > Not sure about the relationship between the sweet innocent youths
> > burning
> > > things simply to show their disapproval of water prices, versus an
> > assistant
> > > being harassed as he leads a deaf and blind child down a street.
> > >
> > > love the discussion, though...
> > >
> > > tim