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RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
Once again, you're too right, Mr. Sylvain.
I cannot for the life of me figure why the hell we're there, except
that it's a chance for the Military Industrial Complex to try out all
of the expensive toys they've been storing up for the last 15
years...maybe Clinton would rather be remembered for initiating WWIII
instead of a blow job from an intern. What I'm pretty damned sure of
is that we ain't there to stop the genocide. We've known about that
for at least the last 7 years, back in Bosnia.
And when I say "we", I mean our damned government.
Someone knows why we're there in a no-win situation. Soemone knows
who's gonna benefit from all the slaughter. Someone's making a buck.
Any ideas?
Sharon MacBitter,
just don't get me started on the failing "peace agreement" in Occupied
Northeastern Ireland
--- "Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com> wrote:
> The problem with proposing alternatives is that we
> have rhetorically backed
> ourselves into this wierd corner where we CAN'T stop
> bombing no matter what
> or else we would have LOST and they would have WON.
> It was a dumb idea from
> the beginning. People are surprised that Airstrikes
> have increased Slobby's
> popularity. Nationalism thrives in a climate of
> violence. Look at the US.
>
> Which was my point. We have entered into a war
> seemingly blindly and too
> many people in the US are getting all fired up to go
> there and give them
> what for.
>
> My solution: Change the rhetoric. Stop bombing and
> start talking. Blockade
> the country. Drop leaflets. Get Russia on our side.
> Work it out. Get the UN
> on our side.
>
> None of this is possible while we are Bombing every
> day and it becomes less
> possible with every passing day. We (NATO and the
> US) become the bad guys.
> Bombing is warfare and warfare is a chaotic state
> where anything can happen.
> It doesn't seem like the American people are really
> aware of the possible
> consequences of our actions.
>
> Also, the ethnic cleansing happened anyway. There
> are few Albanians left in
> Kosovo. So airstriking didn't work. All its doing
> now is making people
> madder and madder.
>
> Finally, I am not a radical. If I offended anyone I
> am sorry. I just
> profoundly disagree with the Strategy and Tactics of
> this whole thing. It
> doesn't make sense politically, militarily or even
> morally. There must be
> something else we could do or could have done.
> Instead we're rushing toward
> a ground war just a few thousand miles from Russia.
> This is not desert. This
> is mountains. There are no allies on the ground.
>
> Oh well.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: leewochner@movingarts.org
> [SMTP:leewochner@movingarts.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:06 PM
> > To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> >
> > But John, again, what is your proposed
> alternative? Just watch them all
> > get
> > slaughtered? No, silly ME.
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 2:50 PM 4/14/99, Sylvain, John wrote:
> > >Nothing to do but bomb them. You're right. Silly
> me.
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Werner Trieschmann
> [SMTP:werner_trieschmann@adg.ardemgaz.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:46 PM
> > >> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > >> Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> > >>
> > >> OK, I'll bite. What should be done about ethnic
> cleansing? Sorry, I
> > hate
> > >> those
> > >> two words. So neat. What should about the
> slaughter and dislocation of
> > the
> > >> Albanian population?
> > >>
> > >> Werner
> > >>
> >
>
__________________________________________________________________________
> > >> _____
> > >>
> > >> >From: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com on Wed, Apr 14,
> 1999 4:41 PM
> > >> >Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> > >> >To: 'rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com'
> > >> >
> > >> >STATEMENT of OPINION
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who believes that bombing a country
> because the leader of that
> > >> >country is a "evil man" watches too much
> American Television and
> > believes
> > >> >too much of what they read.
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who thinks that our actions in the
> Balkans are well thought out
> > is
> > >> >not really paying attention.
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who thinks that bombing the Balkans is
> not similar to throwing
> > a
> > >> lit
> > >> >firecracker into a gunpowder factory doesn't
> know enough history.
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who thinks that people will respond
> with contrition when they
> > are
> > >> >being bombed should do a little "what if they
> bombed my street"
> > thought
> > >> >experiment
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who thinks that Russia is a stable,
> disarmed, backward place
> > that
> > >> >longs for KFC franchises and will never get
> all nationalistic about
> > NATO
> > >> >bombing an ally just weeks after NATO promised
> never to do that is
> > living
> > >> in
> > >> >a happy friendly fantasy
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyone who thinks there is no way any of this
> could escalate to the
> > point
> > >> >where bombs are actually dropped on American
> soil should think
> > >> >again....because it might....and if it
> doesn't...if it doesn't and you
> > >> >support destruction of the infrastructure of
> another country in part
> > >> BECAUSE
> > >> >you're sure there will be no repercussions for
> you and yours than you
> > are
> > >> >not really thinking like a responsible citizen
> of the planet
> > >> >
> > >> >Everyone who thinks this way has a lot of
> company so don't bother
> > getting
> > >> >defensive. It's just one man's view.
> > >> >
> > >> >I do wonder why so many felt compelled to rain
> on Brad's peace march
> > with
> > >> a
> > >> >ton of sardonic bricks. What set off the
> alarms?
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Mmmmmm
> > >> >John
> > >> >
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: Werner Trieschmann
> > >> [SMTP:werner_trieschmann@adg.ardemgaz.com]
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 1:55 PM
> > >> >> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > >> >> Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Lee,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> What are you doing? You'll upset all the
> touchy feely theatre people
> > >> who
> > >> >> want
> > >> >> violence to stop just because they're upset.
> What's the matter with
> > >> you?
> > >> >> Don't
> > >> >> you understand? Who has time to figure out
> the politics or wonder if
> > >> this
> > >> >> Slobodon is really an evil guy? We want to
> make theater and love and
> > >> not
> > >> >> be
> > >> >> bothered with messy details!
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Werner
>
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