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RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
The problem with proposing alternatives is that we have rhetorically backed
ourselves into this wierd corner where we CAN'T stop bombing no matter what
or else we would have LOST and they would have WON. It was a dumb idea from
the beginning. People are surprised that Airstrikes have increased Slobby's
popularity. Nationalism thrives in a climate of violence. Look at the US.
Which was my point. We have entered into a war seemingly blindly and too
many people in the US are getting all fired up to go there and give them
what for.
My solution: Change the rhetoric. Stop bombing and start talking. Blockade
the country. Drop leaflets. Get Russia on our side. Work it out. Get the UN
on our side.
None of this is possible while we are Bombing every day and it becomes less
possible with every passing day. We (NATO and the US) become the bad guys.
Bombing is warfare and warfare is a chaotic state where anything can happen.
It doesn't seem like the American people are really aware of the possible
consequences of our actions.
Also, the ethnic cleansing happened anyway. There are few Albanians left in
Kosovo. So airstriking didn't work. All its doing now is making people
madder and madder.
Finally, I am not a radical. If I offended anyone I am sorry. I just
profoundly disagree with the Strategy and Tactics of this whole thing. It
doesn't make sense politically, militarily or even morally. There must be
something else we could do or could have done. Instead we're rushing toward
a ground war just a few thousand miles from Russia. This is not desert. This
is mountains. There are no allies on the ground.
Oh well.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: leewochner@movingarts.org [SMTP:leewochner@movingarts.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 3:06 PM
> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
>
> But John, again, what is your proposed alternative? Just watch them all
> get
> slaughtered? No, silly ME.
>
> Lee
>
>
>
>
> At 2:50 PM 4/14/99, Sylvain, John wrote:
> >Nothing to do but bomb them. You're right. Silly me.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Werner Trieschmann [SMTP:werner_trieschmann@adg.ardemgaz.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 2:46 PM
> >> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> >> Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> >>
> >> OK, I'll bite. What should be done about ethnic cleansing? Sorry, I
> hate
> >> those
> >> two words. So neat. What should about the slaughter and dislocation of
> the
> >> Albanian population?
> >>
> >> Werner
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> >> _____
> >>
> >> >From: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 4:41 PM
> >> >Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> >> >To: 'rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com'
> >> >
> >> >STATEMENT of OPINION
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who believes that bombing a country because the leader of that
> >> >country is a "evil man" watches too much American Television and
> believes
> >> >too much of what they read.
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who thinks that our actions in the Balkans are well thought out
> is
> >> >not really paying attention.
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who thinks that bombing the Balkans is not similar to throwing
> a
> >> lit
> >> >firecracker into a gunpowder factory doesn't know enough history.
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who thinks that people will respond with contrition when they
> are
> >> >being bombed should do a little "what if they bombed my street"
> thought
> >> >experiment
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who thinks that Russia is a stable, disarmed, backward place
> that
> >> >longs for KFC franchises and will never get all nationalistic about
> NATO
> >> >bombing an ally just weeks after NATO promised never to do that is
> living
> >> in
> >> >a happy friendly fantasy
> >> >
> >> >Anyone who thinks there is no way any of this could escalate to the
> point
> >> >where bombs are actually dropped on American soil should think
> >> >again....because it might....and if it doesn't...if it doesn't and you
> >> >support destruction of the infrastructure of another country in part
> >> BECAUSE
> >> >you're sure there will be no repercussions for you and yours than you
> are
> >> >not really thinking like a responsible citizen of the planet
> >> >
> >> >Everyone who thinks this way has a lot of company so don't bother
> getting
> >> >defensive. It's just one man's view.
> >> >
> >> >I do wonder why so many felt compelled to rain on Brad's peace march
> with
> >> a
> >> >ton of sardonic bricks. What set off the alarms?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Mmmmmm
> >> >John
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Werner Trieschmann
> >> [SMTP:werner_trieschmann@adg.ardemgaz.com]
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 1:55 PM
> >> >> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> >> >> Subject: RE: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> >> >>
> >> >> Lee,
> >> >> >
> >> >> What are you doing? You'll upset all the touchy feely theatre people
> >> who
> >> >> want
> >> >> violence to stop just because they're upset. What's the matter with
> >> you?
> >> >> Don't
> >> >> you understand? Who has time to figure out the politics or wonder if
> >> this
> >> >> Slobodon is really an evil guy? We want to make theater and love and
> >> not
> >> >> be
> >> >> bothered with messy details!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Werner
> >> >>
> >>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> >> >> _____
> >> >>
> >> >> >From: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 2:07 PM
> >> >> >Subject: Re: RAT ANTI-NATO-ART
> >> >> >To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hey! Did everybody hear? They got Brad's letter and they STOPPED!
> Way
> >> to
> >> >> >go, Brad! Thanks, man! Here we all thought they were looking for a
> >> >> >political solution, or just to gain territory outright, but no,
> they
> >> just
> >> >> >needed a firm "please stop" plea. Phew. Glad that's over. Wish Brad
> >> had
> >> >> >been around to dash these letters off to Hitler, Stalin, Genghis
> Khan,
> >> et
> >> >> >al.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Lee
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> I am an American theatre-artist and I feel very strongly that
> the
> >> NATO
> >> >> >>> bombing of your country is wrong.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> More than that, as a pacifist artist, I want all the killing to
> >> stop,
> >> >> on
> >> >> >>> all sides. Kosovo, Sarajevo, Mostar, all of it.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Killing by Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Americans, Brits, -- it
> doesn't
> >> >> >>> matter who did what to whom when and where. It must stop now!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Please remember, here in America as ( I would assume) in
> >> Yugoslavia,
> >> >> >>> the people do not necessarily agree with the actions of their
> >> >> >>> government.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> As artists, can we go beyond the artificial construction of
> >> >> governments,
> >> >> >>> (all governments) and stand together for peace throughout the
> >> world?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> That is my fondest hope.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Namaste,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Brad Rothbart
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> American Theatre Artist
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
> >> >> >><html>
> >> >> >> Folks,
> >> >> >><p>I found the following URL on the web, and it
> >> jarred
> >> >> >>me enough to write a letter which I reprinted below. I
> >> urge
> >> >> >>everyone to take a look at this site.
> >> >> >><p>-brad
> >> >> >><p><A
> >> >>
> >>
> >>HREF="http://www.novisad.org.yu/index.htm">http://www.novisad.org.yu/ind
> >> >> ex.
> >> >> >>htm</A>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >><br>
> >> >> >><blockquote TYPE=CITE>
> >> >> >><pre>I am an American theatre-artist and I feel very strongly that
> >> the
> >> >> NATO
> >> >> >>bombing of your country is wrong.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>More than that, as a pacifist artist, I want all the killing to
> stop,
> >> on
> >> >> >>all sides. Kosovo, Sarajevo, Mostar, all of it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Killing by Serbs, Croats, Muslims, Americans, Brits, -- it doesn't
> >> >> >>matter who did what to whom when and where. It must stop now!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Please remember, here in America as ( I would assume) in
> >> >> Yugoslavia,
> >> >> >>the people do not necessarily agree with the
> >> actions
> >> >> of
> >> >> their
> >> >> >>government.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>As artists, can we go beyond the artificial construction of
> >> governments,
> >> >> >>(all governments) and stand together for peace throughout the
> world?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>That is my fondest hope.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Namaste,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Brad Rothbart
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>American Theatre Artist
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >></pre>
> >> >> >></blockquote>
> >> >> >>
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