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RAT Re: Rat Spat
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Dear John,
I've been really grateful for the lively discussion generated here and all
the requests for my plays and advice and opinions offered by the RATs.
I've reviewed my posts and don't know why you and Matt are saying i've been
shooting down every comment in a negative way, or not believing my plays
will be produced and not expecting the best, or making accusations of
sexism....i've been misunderstood then.
I apologize to the rats if my posts sounded whiny, negative, or as if i was
venting so much that i needed to take a walk and clear my head. I feel hurt
by these comments. My intent was not to complain, but to solve issues such
as "how to break in" or "who does the staged reading serve?"
I understand your connection to and belief in Annex but i was just trying to
explain that for me, that model doesn't work. i went out on a limb
and....maybe it was not okay to say that on this list. On the other hand i
don't want to be silenced.
I've had a long career in theatre and i've been really successful in the
past but now i happen to be disappointed and frustrated...so i'm sure my
posts may be hard to read, but i am just being authentic about some of my
negative experiences. I hope i can share these experiences without being
treated like i need self help, or told that if i keep on doing what i'm
doing i'll be unproduced forever...
If you think i'm negative...you've obviously never met Jeff Jones, Mac
Wellman, or Maria Fornes in person...
I don't know how this productive discussion about issues descended into
criticisms of my posts...i own that i have misrepresented myself, and not
put my best put forward. i'm hurt that you're "turned off" by my posts, but
i have a right to self expression, and comments like that are better left
unwritten.
--Karen.
>From: "Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com>
>To: "'rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com'" <rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com>
>Subject: RE: RAT A comment in general
>Date: Tue, Feb 23, 1999, 3:30 PM
>
>The frustrating thing about this thread is that you say you want feedback so
>that marketing your script is experienced as a flow activity but then you
>shoot down every suggestion or comment in this very negative way. I'm not
>speaking specifically about this comment ("Stop Whining...") but also Chris'
>suggestions. After 10 very happy successful years in this world of fringe
>theater I have observed two basic principles that I would pass on to you.
>Not surprisingly they have already been mentioned in other ways.
>
>1. You get what you expect so why not expect the best. This is a simple,
>powerful concept that has been repeated over and over again in self help
>books so I won't go into it. You either buy it or you don't. The thing is
>that its true. You seem to know how it HAS TO BE to be a writer and part of
>your paradyme is that no one will do your work.
>
>Change your mind and the rest will follow.
>
>2. The most powerful thing you can do is make personal contact with people.
>Simple. Do it. Works in every way. Don't hate the people that might be
>choosing your show because they might say no this year.
>
>Trite enough for you?
>
>I don't want to tell you how you should be but I think you could be more
>effective. As an artistic director I was intrigued by your first post and
>then completely turned off by the negativity of everything you said
>afterwards. If you really want your plays done act like they will be done.
>If you want your plays to be the best unproduced plays of the early 21st
>century then keep on doing what you're doing.
>
>Look at Erik Ehn. Erik is such an amazing guy that everybody does his plays
>all over the place even though none of us know what the heck they mean.
>
>Just kiddin'
>
>
>Excelsior!!
>John
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karen Cronacher [SMTP:kcron@ix.netcom.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:12 PM
>> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>> Subject: Re: RAT A comment in general
>>
>> i guess because i'm a feminist, i don't consider talking about issues
>> "whining" but engaging in the struggle which is a step towards change. i
>> am
>> not talking about being a happy person here. Happiness is about having
>> flow
>> activities in your life, like writing or theatre, that make you forget
>> daily
>> life, forget time, and give you immediate feedback. so i just want more
>> feedback so i can experience the marketing of a script as a flow
>> activity.
>>
>> --Karen
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>> >From: WestLAMan@aol.com
>> >To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>> >Subject: RAT A comment in general
>> >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 8:10 PM
>> >
>>
>> >Please stop whining - life in the theatre is tough, always has been tough
>> and
>> >it will always be tough, especially when you stick your neck out. Have
>> life,
>> >keep working and beware looking outside yourself for happiness, approval
>> and
>> >recognition - nix blaming anyone...
>> >
>> >Martin/Bottom's Dream/Los Angeles
>> >
>