Re: RAT There's nothing wrong with being elitist....

[Handy Capt <handycapt@yahoo.com>]

I guess I see what you mean, although I think the idea
of a masterpiece is both the nature of striving and in
the completion of a work, I think I see what you
mean... i've seen many people disabled by the idea of
some 'Criteria' they immediately thought themselves
incapable of fullfilling and thusly never let their
voice (in the widest sense, not just literally) out,
yes, it is ok to sometimes go against anything you may
be expected to do etc. I mean, I for one am anything
but an elitist, I felt drawn to theatre through film,
performance art, all sorts of things, i started DOING
theatre before I even started LIKING theatre and
mostly because I had this vague inner idea that the
type of theatre I saw in my town was not what it was
supposed to be..,.. So I and my colleagues plunged
into series of strangest experiments some of which
ended in what could be considered failure, some not,
while I saw other people turn 'activists' and
'theorists' because they were too brainwashed by
'criteria' to even try... But now I have this desire
for structure, for a centre, yknow... i feel this when
dancing.. On one hand I feel frustrated thinking of
all the training I don't have, of all the dancers who
started very young, who have great Teachers, i fear my
body getting old and my work being wrong or whatever,
I work alone.. but then again, I wanna liberate it,
I'm cleaning my body of obastacles and blockages like
Grotowski suggested, I do some Yoga, I listen to it -
the body at least, i have my vision, I have my
reasons, I want an aquilibrium of body, mind and soul
in my work, i don't want to be just the mind, I want
partecipation.,... i think of two directions, on one
hand the traditional method where an actor or a
musician spends years in strict training learning
techniques to then be used as a tool by compositors,
directors coreographers, on the other hand the strange
freedom that is sometimes too narcissist for me of
todays performance artists, i want to make a strange
hybrid of the two, the freedom AND the (self)
discipline, yknow??

Anyone here have any expirience with self instructed
dancers? Anyone have any advice for some exploring
different forms of physical theatre in the above
suggested sense?

Anyone have any opinions on Butoh dance?

Thank you,
have a nice day.,
Olja.

> RE: The Way I read Artaud, (and if I recall the
> essay correctly)the (no more) Masterpieces diatribe
> was directed more as opposition to the idea that we
> ought to cling to the great works of the past as a
> guide or standard for what ought to come next. I
> don't think he meant to do away with great works
> completely, he just wanted to seperate the IDEA of
> 'creating a masterpiece' from the act of expression,
> freeing it from the bondage that many artists feel
> to be 'successful' in what might be termed a
> 'conventional' way so that a 'true ' masterpiece
> might be born' and brilliance be measured by the
> striving and honesty invested. It was much the same
> for Brecht- in most of his writing about the
> theatre- that is, in between political diatribe and
> self-promotion- he seems to be seaching for a
> *genuinely* shared point of reference from which to
> communicate- a populist ideal . 


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