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But there's a lot of bad expensive mainstream theatre out there, too.  Why are people so quick to give up on the experimental theatre but will keep going back to the tried and true, even when it fails them?
 
My partner bought me a ticket to see Rent for my birthday a couple of years ago.  I wanted to see it SO badly and then when I did I was SO disappointed.  When it was good it was sublime.  But in places I just hated it.  It's almost a blasphemy to say anything bad about Rent--in both "mainstream" and "alternative" circles.  But at its worst, it represented everything to me that is terrible about musicals and mainstream theatre.  Wooden characters.  Terrible dialogue.  Its best moments seemed to always be in the music, not in the theatre of the piece. 
 
But it's always the small theatres & groups--frequently ones that are trying things out with varying degrees of success--that are blamed for driving people from the theatre. 
 
Frankly, the pieces that I frequently find the most self-indulgent even among indy theatre, are the ones that the local critics and audiences seem to love. I frequently find them to be overly easy, frequently expressing situations that have been done to death but which the audience can identify with or feel self-satisfied about, etc. 
 
Personally, I can live with a production that is "unsuccessful" but makes an attempt at something.  My motto is that even bad art is instructive, because it makes you think about what you didn't like about it and what might have worked better. 
 
Laura Winton
fluffysingler@prodigy.net
www.karawane.org
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: RAT, The dramaturgy of...

People always talk about how the "main stream audience" is lazy and not adventurous...But alot of these people have gone out to see fringe or alternative stuff and just been disappointed by bad and/or self indulgent theatre. I think we can all agree that there is alot of disappointing work out there. I can throw a rock outta my bedroom window in NY and hit a bad play for gods sake. We can't just blame them.

*caden

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on 1/17/01 11:22 PM, Laura Winton at fluffysingler@prodigy.net wrote:

I agree.  And I don't despise the "mainstream audience" per se, but I get disgusted with people for settling.  On a personal level, I am continually disappointed by people in even the most basic day to day interactions.  Not because I think they suck or I think they're idiots.  But because I know people CAN be so much better than they're frequently willing to be.

That's my feeling about art and theatre.  It CAN be so much more than just entertaining.  I still believe in all that crap about theatre and ritual and how we can have transformative experiences.  Again--it's not about art being "good for you" so we have to sugar coat it so you can tolerate it.  Theatre can be transformative.  It's depressing when people settle for less.

That's when we all start going "fuck 'em" and do what WE want to do.

How do we make a theatre worthy of its audience? --Julian Beck

Laura Winton

fluffysingler@prodigy.net
www.karawane.org <http://www.karawane.org>


----- Original Message -----
From: adam shive <mailto:ashive@ucla.edu>  
To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: RAT, The dramaturgy of...

I always try to remember that the mainstream audience that I despise so
much as a pre-defined "marketing group" is actually made up of individuals.
We do a disservice to them and ourselves if we accept the same marketing
labels as Disney (although they look at that mainstream demographic with
lust, as opposed to our small theatre love/hate).  The question for me is,
how do I reach past the long arm of Corporate America?

Julia