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Re: RAT "What we deserve"



If you're referring to my comments about "we get the politicians we deserve"--that wasn't what I meant at all.  I was saying that our politicans reflect our society.  That when we turn a blind eye to nefarious methods of achieving our goals, then we have no right to complain when our politicans do the same thing.  I was asking people to reconsider an "ends justifies the means" mentality.  After all, what is all the brouhaha about how votes are counted and throwing out absentee ballots to retaliate for butterfly ballots and incomplete chads, etc. etc.?  The end justifying the means.  At least I think so.
 
I'm not going to apologize for my vote.  It's a matter of my conscience I have and had reasons for how I voted.  Nor do I blame anyone who in good conscience voted for Gore.  I'm dumbfounded that anyone would have voted for Bush, but hey, it happens.   I am not thrilled about a Bush presidency, but I am not panicked over it either. (I am however, thrilled about the potential for genuine GRIDLOCK in Washington--possibly until the 2002 midterm elections.)
 
Frankly, if Bush had won this thing fair and square, I -- and I believe everyone else -- would have taken my lumps and just dealt with it.  The fact is, there are a lot of very disturbing stories and issues coming out of Florida--including some very serious allegations of racism.  And there's the other little bottom line fact that Bush did not win the popular vote, that the state which is too close to call just happens to be run by his brother and that his "victory" in the state was solidified by a woman who worked on his campaign and who by many accounts is expecting some sort of appointment from Bush once they put him into the White House.  I will, however, be honest enough to admit that I don't know how upset or active I would be over all of this if the tables were turned and if I had to fight for Bush's right to a fair election count. 
 
(Interesting side note:  On the other hand, the Repubs were ready for just that thing.  I watched Ray LaHood, Republican from Illinois, just one week before the election introducing a bill to abolish the elctoral college--that was when the Repubs were expecting Bush to squeak by with the popular vote but lose the electoral college.)
 
This whole situation has just reminded me how much elections divide us.  Look at this conversation.  We had what I thought was a dialogue-debate-conversation in the heat of the election, and apparently some people took it rather personally.  I certainly took no umbrage at anyone's comments and I apologize if anything I said made others feel silenced.  I've been watching people shout each other down in Florida and to a lesser degree here in Minnesota and I'm not sure that's what democracy ought to look like either.  We need (and deserve) rational dialogue about issues--ALL issues--rather than digging in and shouting partisan soundbites and engaging "did to/did not"-type reductive arguing with each other.  Again--we as a society mirror the very thing we claim to be turned off by.  And that brings me full circle.
 
 
 
Laura Winton
fluffysingler@prodigy.net
www.karawane.org
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: RAT FWD: Scalia's legal vision is blinded by his ambition

In a message dated 12/12/00 9:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
fluffysingler@prodigy.net writes:

<< I have to say, too, that given how active the discussions were on the RAT
list was prior to the election, I'm rather surprised at how quiet it's been
in the aftermath.   >>

I, for one, have been silent as I have otherwise been a bit stunned by the
Nader supporters who were very vocal on the list earlier, saying that "we
deserve what we get" if Bush were elected, until such time as it became
apparent that Bush would indeed be elected, and then it was time to come out
and yell about how we needed to protest his election, making sure each vote
was counted.

Doesn't seem like there's that much to talk about, all things considered. 
After all, we get what we deserve, right?

tim
funkopolis