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Re: RAT Lurking online
Allison-
I'm pretty sure everyone would agree that there is a a vast difference
between observing and lurking. To me, what I would condemn is watching and
waiting , only to find the chance to pick a fight or back-bite off list. I
would never accuse YOU of being a voyeur...
S.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allison Narver <anarver@yahoo.com>
To: <rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:52 AM
Subject: RAT Lurking online
> I guess I need to fess up and admit that I've sort of
> been a lurker on this list. As one of the folks at
> the first Iowa conference I'm always really interested
> in what RAT is talking about. And yeah, maybe I am
> kinda voyeuristic-- it's one of the things that I love
> about doing theater. I watch and listen alot. I
> consider it part of my job as a director. And I think
> it's appropriate and fine to not always jump in and
> start yelling my opinion. This is a public list.
> People can lurk if they choose or respond if they
> choose.
> And as for voyeurism...forgive me if I'm wrong, but is
> it really voyeurism if I sit quietly and watch a
> public event unfold? IT's one thing to watch private
> acts unfold and not tell anyone you're doing it, it's
> entirely something else to sit quietly and listen to
> public debate.
> Part of my job is to loudly and publically express my
> values and my opinion. I don't feel like doing it all
> of the time. Is it really a problem if I don't
> respond to the majority of things posted on this list?
>
> All for now.
> Love,
> Allison
> --- The Independent Eye <bards@independenteye.org>
> wrote:
> > Bobby wrote about people. . .
> > >emailing to me directly rather than posting on the
> > RATlist. In so doing, a
> > >good few stated their desire not to post on the
> > RATlist because they didn't
> > >care to get "...shouted down by the youth
> > movement."
> >
> > A couple of thoughts on this.
> >
> > First, the value of good vocal training, or the
> > equivalent -
> > playing in high school auditoriums at 9 a.m. - is
> > that you can out-shout
> > any sonofabitch within 40 miles, if need arises.
> > Need does arise.
> >
> > Second, flames are part of theatre, sad though it
> > be. The critics
> > diss us; we diss the critics and other theatres,
> > especially those with more
> > money. The more we regard ourselves as an
> > oppressed, unappreciated class,
> > the more violent we are in our interchanges. It's a
> > learned mannerism with
> > some people to state fifty ways that someone else is
> > full of shit as a
> > means of establishing their own claim to talent.
> > (It doesn't have to be
> > that way. There can be kindness, and wonderful
> > things can grow out of a
> > discussion stimulated by a really dumb comment.)
> > But it's strange to be
> > working in theatre if you're unwilling to open
> > yourself to flames, rants,
> > and plain vile stupidity. Myself, I've been
> > insulted by some very talented
> > people, trashed in the New York Times, fired by an
> > academic, and once
> > literally stoned with rocks and beer cans by an
> > audience. It comes with
> > the territory.
> >
> > Third, the "youth movement" I'm acquainted with are
> > focused on
> > building a new vision through their work, not
> > shouting anybody down. I
> > haven't been on the list for long, so I'm not
> > speaking to specifics, but
> > it's hard for me to believe that flamers are part of
> > any "movement," except
> > perhaps peristalsis.
> >
> > Myself, I enjoy chit-chat, though long ago gave up
> > any attempt to
> > do it, and I enjoy substantive posts, and I enjoy
> > knowing what people are
> > doing and what stake they have in what they're
> > saying. Being on a pretty
> > diverse group of listservs, I think there's no way
> > to create the perfect
> > listserv. The way to make it more like what we want
> > is to post more stuff
> > that's like what we want, find affinities with
> > particular people, ignore
> > what you don't like, and realize that it's not
> > flames, it's electrons
> > splattering on a screen (anyway I think that's the
> > way it works). On the
> > listserv of our neo-pagan tribe, kibitzing a truly
> > harmful flamewar, I
> > proposed a "Conrad Bishop is an asshole" contest -
> > offering a prize for the
> > most inventive insult anyone could inflict on me.
> > The war dissolved.
> > Flames are just flash paper. The RAT list will
> > become more interesting to
> > the degree that we're all interested in one another.
> >
> > Anyway, Bobby, thanks for your post. Hope things
> > are going well at
> > the Project. We'll be back East in April; hope you
> > can come up and see our
> > show in Philly.
> >
> > Peace & joy-
> > Conrad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Visit The Independent Eye's website
> > at <http://www.independenteye.org>.
> >
> >
> >
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