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RE: RAT Re: Common Courtesy
John is right. The ratlist is like a self-cleaning oven.
Lee
p.s. to John: I'm telling you, your dog is actually a PARASITE. Read the
article! A real eye-opener.
p.p.s. to Mitchell: I'm very proud to say that we have at least one of
those large garden rats ourselves. And no, it's not Brad. (Hi, Brad.)
At 5:38 PM 6/28/99, Sylvain, John wrote:
>I am saying Screw Courtesy and heap on the conflict. FLAME ON!!! If you
>want.
>
>And to those who get tired of reading petty arguements between passionate
>yet stupid theater people please remember that READING IS A VOLUNTARY
>ACTIVITY.
>
>Mr. Lindberg is apparently leaving the list serve because:
>
>> "I get the distinct impression here that CA RATS only recognize one kind:
>>the gray rat, that never raises his voice, eats lots of bad chili, and
>>raises his glass every evening to the smog-covered sunset with a sigh of
>>relief that he's gotten through another day without offending a single
>>soul.
>
>This is poetic but inaccurate. It is funny and frustrating to me that people
>perceive ganging up on somebody on a list serve like there is some behind
>the scenes secret network that they are not part of that leads to massive
>postings saying the same thing.
>
>NO!
>
>Its like this:
>1. RAT citizen X says something
>2. RAT Y hates what X says and says so. In the processes he or she says some
>thing that 90% of the rest of the community thinks is BULLSHIT.
>3. The 90% of the rest of the community individually send in an email saying
>"Hey, I think your full of Shit.
>4. 40% of the community says "but you have the right to your opionion"
>5. 40% of the community says "you shouldn't say that"
>6. 10% of the community says "fuck this I quit"
>
>Then some observer says "Hey Y should be able to say what he wants. You
>people are too sensitive."
>
>Someone offended me so I defended myself. "I have a right to my opinion."
>And so does the other person. So we're both jackasses. So what.
>
>As to the quality of the stuff that is said here it should be noted that the
>archives are full of the good stuff and the jackass stuff just evaporates
>into the ether.
>
>Pay attention.
>
>Okay, so enough self examination for now. If you don't like the quality of
>the conversation raise it yourself.
>
>If you don't like it when somebody corrects your spelling after you insult
>their contribution, you have the right to do whatever but I suggest you take
>a long hard look at your own postings.
>
>If you don't like it when people respond negatively when you insult them
>than don't insult them. If you do insult them then be ready for some heat.
>
>But whatever you do, don't interpret this posting as a call to change
>ANYTHING. As I said before I love the lively, nasty, intelligent, stupid,
>creative, vapid, loving interplay. We are a national community of LUNATICS
>who love to do theater so much we have sacrificed our lives for it and love
>it anyway. I have done it enough to know that any community of passionate
>creative people is going to spend a lot of time sniping at each other and a
>lot of time creating brilliant stuff. I want to hear from the people I
>disagree with and I want the Jackasses to stick around because it gives the
>rest of us something to agree on.
>
>Blah, Blah, Blah...
>
>See you in L.A.
>
>EXCELSIOR!!!!
>JS
>SF
>LA
>
>PS: Paul, I know this directly contridicts what I said at the last Sacred
>Fools company meeting but:
>A) The context is different
>B) Consistancy is the hobgoblin of.....
>
>pss: Yeah Lee, but my dog REALLY loves me.
>
>psss: I did not spell check this. If you find any spellings and want to post
>to the list serve I have this to say ahead of time: FUK YU.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pplunk@garbage.com [SMTP:pplunk@garbage.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 5:45 PM
>> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>> Subject: RAT Re: Common Courtesy
>>
>> John, you're absolutely right. I hereby apologize to Mr.
>> Lineberger for mocking the lack of spell-check in his posting calling
>> my joke "stupid." And in the future, if he or anyone wants to
>> take personal issue with what's said here, maybe a direct dialogue
>> is appropriate between parties, not wasting everyone else's
>> time.
>>
>> As a newcomer to this list (though I've been reading past
>> postings) I'll do my best to avoid condemning individuals or their
>> ideas, but I will condemn innacuracy in postings, especially when
>> it's about where our money comes from.
>>
>> But, conflict being the basis of drama according to Aristotle,
>> this list would be pretty boring without the conflict, wouldn't
>> it?
>>
>> Paul "Ker" Plunkett
>> Sacred Fool
>>
>> >From: Sylvain, John ( >jsylvain@station.sony.com )
>> >To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>> >Date: 06/28/1999 16:26:17
>> >Subject: RE: RAT the other paul
>> >Content-Type: Mime
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Message Body:
>> Screw monitoring responses. There is nothing safe in this (non)
>> organization
>> which is why I love it so much. Heated reactions from overly
>> sensitive
>> wackos and insane postings from nut cases are a SMALL price to
>> pay for
>> freedom of expression. And the people I disagree with make me
>> think harder
>> or at least articulate my thoughts.
>>
>> The only thing that drives me crazy is the constant pointing
>> out that "you
>> have a right to your opinion". Maybe that doesn't quite go
>> without saying
>> but it can certainly go without saying for a day or two.
>>
>>
>> Only two things would come out of a face to face confab about
>> flaming on the
>> list.
>> 1. Some kind of guidelines for polite discourse (=CENSORSHIP IN
>> IT'S MOST
>> INSIDEOUS FORM!!!!)
>>
>> 2. A nasty fight that ends with a homocide or a communal
>> pronouncement that
>> "everyone has the right to their opinion."
>>
>> Since I bet a lot of debates will end with that last thing and
>> I don't want
>> censorship I think a roundtable on this topic should be
>> avoided.
>>
>> Of course you're all entitled to your opinions and if it
>> happens I just
>> won't go, which is fine, but I just wanted to take advantage of
>> my ability
>> to
>> express
>> my
>> opinion.
>>
>> Excelsior
>> John
>> SF
>> LA
>>
>> PS Ya ever notice how much taking the time to express yourself
>> takes away
>> from your life?
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Matt Bretz [SMTP:mabretz@cbomedia.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 5:07 PM
>> > To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>> > Subject: Re: RAT the other paul
>> >
>> > i tend to agree with lee but i don't know. perhaps it
>> invigorates
>> > debate. perhaps it strengthens individual will. perhaps it
>> organically
>> > regulates the growth of the organism stimulating reproduction
>> by asexual
>> > budding -- oh my i'm getting hot under the collar...
>> >
>> > this is why i suggest a workshop or roundtable
>> >
>> > anyone wanna take up a counterpoint to me, lee, erik? are we
>> witnessing
>> > canabalism? is it constructive? should we monitor/regulate
>> our
>> > impulses in favor of the constructive or experience the
>> thrill of the
>> > demolition derby?
>> >
>> > buttley
>>
>>
>>
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