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RE: RAT COLUMBINE


I don't know about Audie, John, but I know that I greatly prefer your
"rambling with no coherent point" to your earlier posting that Audie
"shot down".

And aren't you being a wee bit disingenuous (sp?) by claiming to have
"no coherent point"?  Huh?

Sharon

--- "Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com> wrote:
> I knew it! 
> 
> I should have said "scary, challenging and wierd".
> 
> All I'm saying is I like it when intelligent people
> say things I don't agree
> with. I didn't like what Aileen said because it
> seemed to justify homocide
> which I am always against. But there is a truth to
> what she says also. A
> truth that, because it will never be said on The
> Today Show, because it
> makes me uncomfortable, is....challenging and scary.
> 
> 
> When someone expresses something challenging and
> scary people will shoot
> them down. They may be wrong. But I want to hear it.
> If we don't go down the
> road less travelled who will.
> 
> Now I'm rambling with no coherent point. You like
> that better?
> 
> When I was going to college we had these shanty town
> protests against South
> Africa on campus. The campus radicals lived in these
> shacks outside of the
> presidents office and they protested and stuff. One
> time they followed the
> tresurer of the University home and threw rocks at
> him.
> 
> They threw rocks at the treasurer of the board of a
> University that has some
> of its money invested in some companies that do some
> business in South
> Africa which had some policies that were racist.
> 
> Not mature, not rational, not fair and not something
> that I supported.
> 
> Then at graduation, the speaker, Strobe Talbot,
> addressed this issue. He
> said "When I was here we protested against Viet Nam.
> We were partly right
> but we weren't completely right." He was commenting
> on the self
> righteousness of the Apartheid protesters. A lot of
> my friends bought it but
> not me.  I'm not a radical and I think to be a
> radical you have to shut down
> your rationality. Its stupid to a certain degree.
> Yet, at the same time ONLY
> through radical attacks on the status quo does the
> status quo change. Only
> because there were people willing to die for racial
> equality in this country
> do we have what little we have today. 
> 
> Strobe Talbot was saying: "Don't be too radical,
> you'll look silly and
> you'll regret it when you're older."
> 
> I say "Fuck you old man, let the kids be radical.
> What do you think stopped
> the Viet Nam war? Why was Nelson Mandela president
> three or four years
> later? Because reasonable people quietly did the
> reasonable thing? I don't
> think so.
> 
> Why does a writer write? Why does an actor act? Why
> do we start these crazy
> never-make-any-money-take-up-all-your-time
> organizations. Because we're
> reasonable people quietly doing the reasonable
> thing?
> 
> "It's that very knee-jerk, rah-rah, fuck'em-all
> attitude that makes most alternative theatre so
> boring, boorish and irrelevant."
> 
> No, its thinking that the fuck'em-all attitude is
> all you need that makes
> alternative theater so boring, boorish and
> irrelevant. Good acting, good
> direction, good writing and good design is important
> too. But if I didn't
> have a little bit of a fuck'em-all attitude mixed in
> with my profound,
> unconscious desire to be looked at and liked (hell
> I'm being honest here!)
> than I certainly could find some easier ways to
> spend my evenings.
> 
> Make 'em laugh, make 'em cry and make 'em think. Its
> most effective in that
> order.
> 
> Notice that Make 'em uncomfortable and Make 'em feel
> guilty and Make 'em
> hate you is not on that list. Neither is Make 'em
> bored, Make 'em look at an
> ugly set or Make 'em squint. You can do those things
> but its been done and
> the charm has worn off.
> 
> Aileen made me think. She also made me
> uncomfortable. But I'm not a paying
> audience member so its okay. Maybe someone can take
> the debate here and turn
> it into something that will make'em do all the good
> things and make'em think
> and so on.  
> 
> That's why I said its about time. 
> 
> Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Audie McCall [SMTP:audiemccall@yahoo.com]
> > Sent:	Friday, April 23, 1999 12:45 PM
> > To:	rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > Subject:	RE: RAT COLUMBINE
> > 
> > --- "Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com>
> wrote:
> > > The turn that this thread has taken is
> disturbing,
> > > offensive and
> > > disrespectful.
> > > 
> > > Its about time.
> > 
> > Oh, come on, Johnny.  What the hell does that
> mean? 
> > Please tell me you can do more (for I know full
> well
> > you can) than praise the "disturbing, offensive
> and
> > disrespectful" for their own sake.
> > 
> > It's that very knee-jerk, rah-rah, fuck'em-all
> > attitude that makes most alternative theatre so
> > boring, boorish and irrelevant.
> > 
> > Personally, I like your thoughts better when you
> > ramble on and on and on.  It's kinda fun to search
> for
> > the needle-like insights in the haystack.  
> >
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