RE: RAT Re: Rat Spat

["Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Karen Cronacher [SMTP:kcron@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 25, 1999 4:07 PM
> To:	rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> Subject:	RAT Re: Rat Spat
> 
> 
> ----------
	 ...  i'm hurt that you're "turned off" by my posts, but
> i have a right to self expression, and comments like that are better left
> unwritten.
> 
> --Karen.
	[Sylvain, John]  
	Exactly. You have a right to self expression. so do I. Please note
that I didn't say you were bad I said that "I was turned off by your posts".
I was. Me. I don't hold you responsible in anyway for my emotional states. I
told you how I felt in hopes that you might understand how your
communication lands over here. That's all. This reaction here, defensive,
assuming someone is saying something just to be nasty, is what I meant when
I said.

	"shoot down every suggestion or comment in this very negative way"

	A number of people have written me privately thanking me for saying
what was on their minds. I say that not to prove that I'm right but to try,
one more time, to get you to see the communication model you are living in.
You have a right to say what you want, but if you ask for help and then turn
it away (in my opinion) I have a right to say something too. 

	 What I sensed in your communication was a (normal, natural but not
helpful) resistance to any kind of advice. I wanted to point that out.
Perhaps I was too harsh. Perhaps this medium is not suited for this kind of
discussion. Perhaps you are still thinking that advice=attack. (Please
remember that this started with your complaint about not getting your stuff
done) Perhaps its none of my goddamn business.

	I will assume the latter.

	Good Luck in all you do!


	Excelsior!
	John










> >From: "Sylvain, John" <jsylvain@station.sony.com>
> >To: "'rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com'" <rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com>
> >Subject: RE: RAT A comment in general
> >Date: Tue, Feb 23, 1999, 3:30 PM
> >
> 
> >The frustrating thing about this thread is that you say you want feedback
> so
> >that marketing your script is experienced as a flow activity but then you
> >shoot down every suggestion or comment in this very negative way. I'm not
> >speaking specifically about this comment ("Stop Whining...") but also
> Chris'
> >suggestions. After 10 very happy successful years in this world of fringe
> >theater I have observed two basic principles that I would pass on to you.
> >Not surprisingly they have already been mentioned in other ways.
> >
> >1. You get what you expect so why not expect the best. This is a simple,
> >powerful concept that has been repeated over and over again in self help
> >books so I won't go into it. You either buy it or you don't. The thing is
> >that its true. You seem to know how it HAS TO BE to be a writer and part
> of
> >your paradyme is that no one will do your work. 
> >
> >Change your mind and the rest will follow.
> >
> >2. The most powerful thing you can do is make personal contact with
> people.
> >Simple. Do it. Works in every way. Don't hate the people that might be
> >choosing your show because they might say no this year. 
> >
> >Trite enough for you?
> >
> >I don't want to tell you how you should be but I think you could be more
> >effective. As an artistic director I was intrigued by your first post and
> >then completely turned off by the negativity of everything you said
> >afterwards. If you really want your plays done act like they will be
> done.
> >If you want your plays to be the best unproduced plays of the early 21st
> >century then keep on doing what you're doing. 
> >
> >Look at Erik Ehn. Erik is such an amazing guy that everybody does his
> plays
> >all over the place even though none of us know what the heck they mean.
> >
> >Just kiddin'
> >
> >
> >Excelsior!!
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Karen Cronacher [SMTP:kcron@ix.netcom.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:12 PM
> >> To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> >> Subject: Re: RAT A comment in general
> >> 
> >> i guess because i'm a feminist, i don't consider talking about issues
> >> "whining" but engaging in the struggle which is a step towards change.
> i
> >> am
> >> not talking about being a happy person here.  Happiness is about having
> >> flow
> >> activities in your life, like writing or theatre, that make you forget
> >> daily
> >> life, forget time, and give you immediate feedback.  so i just want
> more
> >> feedback so i can experience the  marketing of a script as a flow
> >> activity.
> >> 
> >> --Karen
> >> ----------
> >> >From: WestLAMan@aol.com
> >> >To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> >> >Subject: RAT A comment in general
> >> >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 8:10 PM
> >> >
> >> 
> >> >Please stop whining - life in the theatre is tough, always has been
> tough
> >> and
> >> >it will always be tough, especially when you stick your neck out.
> Have
> >> life,
> >> >keep working and beware looking outside yourself for happiness,
> approval
> >> and
> >> >recognition - nix blaming anyone... 
> >> >
> >> >Martin/Bottom's Dream/Los Angeles 
> >> >
> >