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Re: RAT There's nothing wrong with being elitist....

Olja-

Oh, you are speaking my language even if it is with an untrained body 
activated more by desire than experience before a barre. The self discipline 
is of course key and it being 'self' discipline prone to distortions of a 
specific and hidden, at least to the self, kind.  The trade off of being 
part of a company of discipline, i.e. a dance company, the army, a religious 
order is that the dicipline is set and prone to institutionalized errors and 
blindnesses.

There is room in the performance art tent for all sorts and I do not mean 
all sorts of crap implying it does not matter.  Quality does matter but how 
it is arrived at does require a lot of attempts, much dross and heaven knows 
all sorts of paths.




>From: Handy Capt <handycapt@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>Subject: Re: RAT There's nothing wrong with being elitist....
>Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:17:51 -0800 (PST)
>
>I guess I see what you mean, although I think the idea
>of a masterpiece is both the nature of striving and in
>the completion of a work, I think I see what you
>mean... i've seen many people disabled by the idea of
>some 'Criteria' they immediately thought themselves
>incapable of fullfilling and thusly never let their
>voice (in the widest sense, not just literally) out,
>yes, it is ok to sometimes go against anything you may
>be expected to do etc. I mean, I for one am anything
>but an elitist, I felt drawn to theatre through film,
>performance art, all sorts of things, i started DOING
>theatre before I even started LIKING theatre and
>mostly because I had this vague inner idea that the
>type of theatre I saw in my town was not what it was
>supposed to be..,.. So I and my colleagues plunged
>into series of strangest experiments some of which
>ended in what could be considered failure, some not,
>while I saw other people turn 'activists' and
>'theorists' because they were too brainwashed by
>'criteria' to even try... But now I have this desire
>for structure, for a centre, yknow... i feel this when
>dancing.. On one hand I feel frustrated thinking of
>all the training I don't have, of all the dancers who
>started very young, who have great Teachers, i fear my
>body getting old and my work being wrong or whatever,
>I work alone.. but then again, I wanna liberate it,
>I'm cleaning my body of obastacles and blockages like
>Grotowski suggested, I do some Yoga, I listen to it -
>the body at least, i have my vision, I have my
>reasons, I want an aquilibrium of body, mind and soul
>in my work, i don't want to be just the mind, I want
>partecipation.,... i think of two directions, on one
>hand the traditional method where an actor or a
>musician spends years in strict training learning
>techniques to then be used as a tool by compositors,
>directors coreographers, on the other hand the strange
>freedom that is sometimes too narcissist for me of
>todays performance artists, i want to make a strange
>hybrid of the two, the freedom AND the (self)
>discipline, yknow??
>
>Anyone here have any expirience with self instructed
>dancers? Anyone have any advice for some exploring
>different forms of physical theatre in the above
>suggested sense?
>
>Anyone have any opinions on Butoh dance?
>
>Thank you,
>have a nice day.,
>Olja.
>
> > RE: The Way I read Artaud, (and if I recall the
> > essay correctly)the (no more) Masterpieces diatribe
> > was directed more as opposition to the idea that we
> > ought to cling to the great works of the past as a
> > guide or standard for what ought to come next. I
> > don't think he meant to do away with great works
> > completely, he just wanted to seperate the IDEA of
> > 'creating a masterpiece' from the act of expression,
> > freeing it from the bondage that many artists feel
> > to be 'successful' in what might be termed a
> > 'conventional' way so that a 'true ' masterpiece
> > might be born' and brilliance be measured by the
> > striving and honesty invested. It was much the same
> > for Brecht- in most of his writing about the
> > theatre- that is, in between political diatribe and
> > self-promotion- he seems to be seaching for a
> > *genuinely* shared point of reference from which to
> > communicate- a populist ideal .
>
>
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