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Re: RAT copyright question???



Friends,
I have been told by both ASCAP and BMI that they will not license (either piece by piece, or the yearly license that clubs can get) any work for theatrical use.  If anyone has been able to do this recently through  ASCAP or BMI please let me know.  We have had some success dealing with the publishing companies and artists directly, but it is a long road.  The difficulty of this process has caused us to work primarily with local musicians, which is, of course, a noble and rewarding thing in and of itself.  There are many times, however, when we would love to use a piece of pre-existing music, and are dissuaded by the hassle and expense.  It is too bad and tempting to just ignore, as many of us fly so far below the radar of the publishers anyhow, but we should remember that the musicians and composers are our fellow workers and deserve both the credit and the cash.
For those who have no ethical problems with "borrowing" work from our musical friends, a cautionary tale: a tiny company in our town managed to get a reviewer from a major performance magazine to come down to see their show.  Their show became the subject of a very favorable article which mentioned the company's skillful use of a particular piece of music.  The publisher read about it, fined them and shut down the show.  It was a wake up call for the whole performance community.
Remember too, that music of long-deceased composers is often still performed by contemporary musicians, and that that performance is still owned by a publishing company that has more lawyers than you do.

I would love to hear how other companies or individual artists have dealt with this issue.

respectfully,
Thadd McQuade
www.foolery.org

francis wrote:

The last time I looked into the ASCAP/BMI route, I was told I needed
to get a year's license from each, if I was using music from each,
and that would total $20,000.  Doesn't matter how often you use it in
that year.
Of course, that was a couple years ago, and they may have come down
in their prices.  But I would be careful about who you tell your
plans to, if you're really intent on using published work.  It may be
a lot more than you're willing to spend, and then what do you do once
you've alerted the publishers of your intent?
The idea of original music is best if you want to stay legal.  Or,
you keep it really quiet and hope for the best.

Francis

>Jeff-
>
>Pre- recorded music is (almost always as far as I know) covered under two
>organizations- the main one is ASCAP (the American Society of Composers
>Athours and Performers)
>
>There are basically two routes to obtaining the legal right to use
>pre-recorded bits of music ( I think recently this has come to include
>electronic sampling and remixing). One is to obtain permission for each
>piece either from the original artist/publisher/agent or from ASCAP/BMI; the
>other is to get a license from ASCAP/BMI which will allow you to use the
>music under certain conditions and restrictions, and covers a wide range of
>affiliated composers and popular artists. They have a website which is
>probably a good place to start...www.ascap.com. They also have offices in
>most major metropolitan areas.
>
>To license or not to license is one of the swords of Damocles for Theatre
>producers; You would think most artists would be grateful for the extra
>exposure and new audiences, and you're statistically unlikely to get caught
>usiing tunes without a license; However, they DO have auditors, and there is
>a Tip-Line, so it IS possible to get caught, and the consequences can be
>pretty serious, legally and financially. Since you're working with a
>'non-profit' ( i presume you mean a charity of some kind ) and one of the
>possible consequences of being caught without a license is to lose  501
>status, It would probably be best to get the figures and see if it's
>worthwhile to buy the rights - otherwise, It may be cheaper to have original
>music written ( which is far preferable in SOOOOOO many ways...).
>
>YET ANOTHER OPTION...'classical' music (Bach, Beethoven, Mozart etc) is
>considered public domain and can be used more or less with impunity...
>
>Good Luck...
>Skip
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: jeff kitchen <danish50@hotmail.com>
>To: <rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com>
>Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 6:40 AM
>Subject: RAT copyright question???
>
>
>> I am directing a play for a non-profit organization and would like to use
>a
>> good bit of music in the play... does anyone know the rules governing
>> copywright's, as to who i would need to talk to about rights, cost and
>that
>> sorta thing. Any money for rights to songs is coming out of my pocket so
>any
>> advice would be helpful
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> jeff
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