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Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
Don't ask me....I spent Sunday at Disneyland - a whole other discussion, I'm
sure.
m.e.:o.)
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>From: "Lucie Manheim" <luciemanheim@hotmail.com>
>To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>Subject: Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
>Date: Wed, Feb 2, 2000, 6:40 AM
>
>Well, since I wasn't clear, what I meant to say was this:
>I don't think that artists need to live in some sophmoric cliche (ie lattes
>and cigarettes-- though both are lovely), in fact to the contrary. And I
>certainly don't think we should always assume we're going to be poor and at
>the mercy of our respective corrupt governments for hand outs, but I DO
>think that the list below (fashion week in NY, Golden Globes, the GAP, "hot"
>writers in Hollywood, etc) represent the most vile and insidious corporate
>packaging plans possible. They exist as an opportunity to make somebody a
>whole bunch of money. And so, I think whenever possible we should suspect
>the motives of corporate packaging. And sorry Yanks, to me, the Superbowl
>is nothing more than packaging, packaging, packaging. In my time in the
>States, I watched many highschool and college football games and
>appreciated, no loved the game. And in my own country I'm an Arsenal fan
>through and through, make no mistake.
>But I guess my question was this -- isn't this really a tremendous
>opportunity to do more than talk about what corporate packagers want us to
>talk about? That's all.
>I wasn't too surprised to get alot of Yank "In this country we have
>something known as free speech" rhetoric back--What I meant to do was
>question the validity and the necessity of that particular topic in this
>particular forum.
>As someone who spent more than 15 years in mainland China, I am fully aware
>of what it really means to have freedom of speech taken away. Please don't
>be sloppy. It's an overused term in both the US and the UK. Just be aware
>of what it actually means.
>So I seem to have made people mad-- frankly don't care. I'mm going to
>change the subject and see if anyone wants to come with me...
>So here's a question...who thinks that the advant of Dance Theater as (ie
>Pina Bausch) and contemporary Opera (ie Peter Sellars) are going to
>actually, radically change the way we do theater? And I don't mean simply
>adding more music and dance to what we do.. but rather will we begin to
>conceptualize differently? will we begin to think in terms of a larger
>canvas when we make stuff?
>I hope to God so.
>
>
>>From: TimNGail@aol.com
>>Reply-To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>>To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>>Subject: Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
>>Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:21:23 EST
>>
>>In a message dated 02/01/2000 4:43:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>luciemanheim@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> > Why don't we talk about the Golden globes next?
>> > Thenw e can talk about fashion week in New York.
>> > Then we can talk about really "hot" writers in Hollywood.
>> > Then we can talk about really cool tv shows.
>> > Then we can talk about what we want to buy at the GAP.
>> > Then we can talk about Pokeman. Or teletubbies.
>> > Or we can just go to e online.
>>
>>hmmm.... last time I checked, the theatre I was working on had nothing to
>>do
>>with people sitting around, stroking their goatees smoking unfiltered
>>Luckies
>>and sipping a latte while trying to pontificate about grand theories....
>>although, that may not be a bad idea....
>>
>>I'm much more interested in work that sprouts from conversations about
>>fashion, or hot writers in Hollywood (if anyone is interested in reading
>>it,
>>Gabriel and I are collaborating on a piece called OPTION dealing with this
>>very thing... well, kind of...), or Telletubbies, or Taymor-esque puppets
>>making an appearance at the halftime show of the friggin Super Bowl (don't
>>know if I really liked the idea, or if I thought it was an
>>ABC/Disney/Eisner
>>slanderous capitalist machine in high gear... then again, whaddaya want
>>from
>>the Super Bowl?) or WHATEVER....
>>
>>Creation comes from the act of living. And discussing living. Although, I
>>don't knock whatever may work for you.
>>
>>Gosh... that was deep.... well, gotta get back to my smoke and my latte....
>>
>>tim
>>
>>P.S. - who KNEW there were any "theatre types" willing to come out of the
>>closet and admit they watch football! Testify! Hallelujah!
>>
>>P.P.S. - Sorry... the clarification should be "American football"... :)
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