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Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
Dear Matt-
I'm definetly not teling your mind where to go. I'm just delighted that
it's going somewhere. Because clearly it is and it's an interesting place.
That's all I was asking for.
See I've pissed alot of people off but at least there's a conversation
happening.
Goodbye RAT List.
>From: Mathew Bretz <mabretz@cbomedia.com>
>Reply-To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
>Subject: Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
>Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:10:20 +0000
>
>dear lucie,
>
>please stop calling me a yank or i will have to start calling you a
>steamroller. woody guthrie was not a nationalist if that is what you are
>implying and i certainly am not.
>
>i know that pina bausch and peter sellars and others have already changed
>the
>way i do theatre. but if i had to pin point an influence that led to me
>as an
>adult paying attention to pina and peter, it would be the sid and marty
>kroft
>era of american entertainment. what started as an adult burlesque show in
>hollywood using lifesize psychedelic puppets somehow made its way to
>mainstream
>american TV and live variety shows at suburban drive in theatres round the
>country. the shows were bizarre, theatrical, terrifying and terribly
>intriguing. i watched a lot of lidsville and the bugaloos when i was a kid
>and
>you know what, it was all paid for by corporate america. and its part of
>why i
>like to blow things up now.
>
>when i quote woody writing/singing this land is your land, this land is my
>land
>(i'm singing too bill houts), my point is that inspiration is boundless,
>personal and dialectical (eat your heart out audie.) speak your mind, as
>you've
>done. but it sounds like your mind is telling my mind where to go, so to
>speak. and you ain't gwan be any more successful than corporate america :
>)
>this is where i'm coming from.
>
>yours
>
>matty
>
>
>
>Lucie Manheim wrote:
>
> > Well, since I wasn't clear, what I meant to say was this:
> > I don't think that artists need to live in some sophmoric cliche (ie
>lattes
> > and cigarettes-- though both are lovely), in fact to the contrary. And
>I
> > certainly don't think we should always assume we're going to be poor and
>at
> > the mercy of our respective corrupt governments for hand outs, but I DO
> > think that the list below (fashion week in NY, Golden Globes, the GAP,
>"hot"
> > writers in Hollywood, etc) represent the most vile and insidious
>corporate
> > packaging plans possible. They exist as an opportunity to make somebody
>a
> > whole bunch of money. And so, I think whenever possible we should
>suspect
> > the motives of corporate packaging. And sorry Yanks, to me, the
>Superbowl
> > is nothing more than packaging, packaging, packaging. In my time in the
> > States, I watched many highschool and college football games and
> > appreciated, no loved the game. And in my own country I'm an Arsenal
>fan
> > through and through, make no mistake.
> > But I guess my question was this -- isn't this really a tremendous
> > opportunity to do more than talk about what corporate packagers want us
>to
> > talk about? That's all.
> > I wasn't too surprised to get alot of Yank "In this country we have
> > something known as free speech" rhetoric back--What I meant to do was
> > question the validity and the necessity of that particular topic in this
> > particular forum.
> > As someone who spent more than 15 years in mainland China, I am fully
>aware
> > of what it really means to have freedom of speech taken away. Please
>don't
> > be sloppy. It's an overused term in both the US and the UK. Just be
>aware
> > of what it actually means.
> > So I seem to have made people mad-- frankly don't care. I'mm going to
> > change the subject and see if anyone wants to come with me...
> > So here's a question...who thinks that the advant of Dance Theater as
>(ie
> > Pina Bausch) and contemporary Opera (ie Peter Sellars) are going to
> > actually, radically change the way we do theater? And I don't mean
>simply
> > adding more music and dance to what we do.. but rather will we begin to
> > conceptualize differently? will we begin to think in terms of a larger
> > canvas when we make stuff?
> > I hope to God so.
> >
> > >From: TimNGail@aol.com
> > >Reply-To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > >To: rat-list@whirl-i-gig.com
> > >Subject: Re: RAT THE SUPERBOWL?
> > >Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:21:23 EST
> > >
> > >In a message dated 02/01/2000 4:43:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > >luciemanheim@hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > > > Why don't we talk about the Golden globes next?
> > > > Thenw e can talk about fashion week in New York.
> > > > Then we can talk about really "hot" writers in Hollywood.
> > > > Then we can talk about really cool tv shows.
> > > > Then we can talk about what we want to buy at the GAP.
> > > > Then we can talk about Pokeman. Or teletubbies.
> > > > Or we can just go to e online.
> > >
> > >hmmm.... last time I checked, the theatre I was working on had nothing
>to
> > >do
> > >with people sitting around, stroking their goatees smoking unfiltered
> > >Luckies
> > >and sipping a latte while trying to pontificate about grand
>theories....
> > >although, that may not be a bad idea....
> > >
> > >I'm much more interested in work that sprouts from conversations about
> > >fashion, or hot writers in Hollywood (if anyone is interested in
>reading
> > >it,
> > >Gabriel and I are collaborating on a piece called OPTION dealing with
>this
> > >very thing... well, kind of...), or Telletubbies, or Taymor-esque
>puppets
> > >making an appearance at the halftime show of the friggin Super Bowl
>(don't
> > >know if I really liked the idea, or if I thought it was an
> > >ABC/Disney/Eisner
> > >slanderous capitalist machine in high gear... then again, whaddaya want
> > >from
> > >the Super Bowl?) or WHATEVER....
> > >
> > >Creation comes from the act of living. And discussing living.
>Although, I
> > >don't knock whatever may work for you.
> > >
> > >Gosh... that was deep.... well, gotta get back to my smoke and my
>latte....
> > >
> > >tim
> > >
> > >P.S. - who KNEW there were any "theatre types" willing to come out of
>the
> > >closet and admit they watch football! Testify! Hallelujah!
> > >
> > >P.P.S. - Sorry... the clarification should be "American football"... :)
> >
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